On April 17th I
blogged about How the speech timer at
Toastmasters club meetings could provide useful feedback rather than just
warning signals – introducing the 21st Century Timing Cards. How they would be
used for a 5 to 7 minute speech is shown above.
I only received one comment on this blog. Cleon Cox, III
from the Portland, Oregon area just said:
“Well
done Dr. Garber.”
On April 18th I pointed to that post at The Official
Toastmasters International Group on LinkedIn. There were another nine comments made
there (cut into paragraphs for readability), which I will share with you here along with my replies to them.
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Mike Rafferty, DTM:
There
are many other speech lengths besides 5-7 and 4-6 minutes, even in just the CC
manual. Sounds overly complicated for something that can be very simple.
REPLY
Mike:
Yes, doing something useful is just slightly more complicated than doing
something that’s almost useless.
For the CC manual the only other speech length just is 8 to 10
minutes for Project 10, Inspire Your Audience. It is easily handled just by
changing the interval between cards to 2 minutes rather than one minute (and
otherwise doing it like the Icebreaker).
Using a two-minute interval also would cover the 8 to 10 and
10 to 12 minute speeches in the Speeches by Management Manual. For the last 12
to 15 minute one, the interval between cards would have to be increased to 3
minutes.
For the Storytelling manual the 7 to 9 minute speeches for the
first and fifth projects are a slight problem. There we might use a two-minute
interval and display three progress cards before the green at seven minutes. If
the Timer explains what he will be doing, then the Speaker shouldn’t be
confused.
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Teri McDonald, DTM:
Paper
is not 21st century. Even though your method gives feedback every minute, it
feels an archaic in the digital age. There are great digital tools available
for free. I like Timer4TM.
REPLY
Teri:
When the battery on your Android smartphone dies (or catches on fire), it
becomes just a dumb brick. You ALWAYS need to have a backup, like Timing Cards.
And my method gives feedback at least three times before the green card, not
just once per minute. For Table Topics it is every quarter minute, and for
Evaluations it is every half minute.
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Tim Ramage:
It's
an interesting idea. It is nice to have feedback prior to the minimum
threshold. Timing of a speech comes down to preparation. A speaker, especially
a beginning speaker, should have already prepared to the point that the speech
timing is solidified prior to presenting it.
Preparation
is a cornerstone of Toastmasters and mentors should be sending that message
consistently to their mentees. By the time the green card appears, the prepared
speaker knows the material well enough to have a solid idea how to wrap up.
That includes beginning speakers. Of course nervousness can derail preparation
and timing, but the idea behind preparation is to help assuage the natural
nervousness. Provided the club provides a supportive environment, going over
time isn't a sin...it is something to learn from and improve for the next
speech.
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“Story Gordon” Hill:
We use a light system and have considered
adding a fourth light, a lightning bolt, that is also wired to a speaker's ankle
as a terminal reminder, "You're done!" :-D
REPLY
Gordon: In
auto racing there is a Black Flag that means get off the track and go to the
pits.
I blogged about it back in 2011. A
black timing card (the cover) would tell a speaker that he is so over.
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Cliff Milligan, DTM:
Sounds
like you are trying to compensate for poor preparation. If you've actually
practiced your speech you should know where you are supposed to be at the
Green, Yellow and Red markers. If you go over by 45 seconds it isn't the end of
the world.
I don't want or need someone tracking every minute of my
speech. Sounds like a helicopter parent to me. Speakers should be prepared to
cut their speech short if they are running long. We had a new member do their
Ice Breaker last meeting and when they were finished with their material they
still hadn't hit the Green. I had worked with them beforehand and though the
speech could be short and suggested having another section to add if the Green
hadn't appeared yet. That is known as good preparation and working with their
mentor.
In some of the advanced manuals you have 40 minute speeches.
Seems to me like you would need a 5" binder to hold all the various
permutations of your card displaying.
REPLY (in
two parts)
Cliff's
example with an Icebreaker speech illustrates the problem with lack of feedback
that I'm trying to solve with these revised Timing Cards. A nervous speaker
will be faster in the club than in his rehearsals. If he had those three points
of feedback before getting to the Green warning signal, then he might have
slowed down. (And I think he meant to say thought rather than though).
I said the Timer could provide useful feedback. If you DTMs
don't need it, then just tell him to stay with the old Timing Card format,
which we also might call Speech Contest Mode. Go look up the Fact Sheet from
July 2015 to June 2016. The annual retention rate of
Toastmasters members was only 55.4%. That means that if you started out with 25
members in a club you kept 14 but lost (and then hopefully replaced) 11. That's
a lot of new members. Some of them will be nervous and inexperienced.
Cliff:
No, you would not need a 5" binder to hold all the various permutations of
the cards. It would take less than 20 pages to list all 85 manual speeches
(plus Table Topics). Look at the lists from the Boston and Dallas Sunrise clubs.
The rules for displaying either three or four black &
white progress cards coming before the Green card can be compactly stated in
the following format.
Time to Green card (minutes):[time between progress
cards(minutes)].
Here is the list for almost all of them 1:[1/4]. 2:[1/2].
3:[3/4]. 4 and 5:[1]. 6, 7, and 8:[1-1/2]. 10:[2]. 12 and 15:[3]. 19, 20 and
22:[4]. 26:[5]. 28 and 31:[6].
The fifth project for Specialty Speeches, Introduce the
Speaker, has the whole meeting as a time limit. If that was an hour, then it
would be 60:[12].
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“Story
Gordon” Hill:
My
goal is to finish in the middle (one minute to go). It gives those who go long
some time.
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David Lewtas:
If
it ain't broke, don't fix (re-fix) it! This topic sounds like someone is bored
and trying to create an answer when there really is no question.
Sure, the digital age has been foisted upon us, but that
should not automatically take over everything. Many young people don't know how
to WRITE their name, and for some people's, it is not readible in any manner of
interpretation. Shame on them! Why isn't cursive handwriting taught in many
schools?
Back
to the digital question: Many people are ADDICTED to their "phones"
for all their records and information. Then they cry when it's lost, with no
hard-copy back up on phone numbers, etc. Many drive like maniacs when looking
at them and they kill innocents. That is mis-usage of course.
Yes,
if you need more timing signals, forget it; just LOOK at the timer lights or
cards as you are supposed to.
REPLY
David:
The topic of my post was cardboard cards – not anything remotely digital. Your
comment sounds like a bad parody of a Table Topics answer. Was this rambling
rant REALLY the best you could do after over FIFTY YEARS in Toastmasters? So
Sad!
I’m going back to YouTube to watch Carrie Newcomer perform
Don’t Push Send.
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Kelly Ellenz:
I
always wish we had an option of a display timer, like they have at Ted Talks.
Those first speeches, I was a person who spoke much faster presenting than
practicing, And waiting for the green card actually gave me MORE anxiety. Now a
5-7 minute speech is a breeze, and I give them with 1-2 practice runthroughd.
And can adapt on the fly. So, while I do agree this can be coddling. I think
many new members neeed a little coddling. Speaking alone is a lot, then having
an evaluator, time, ah counter, etc., it all compounds the stress. I think
working toward more blind timing over time is a good goal. Most professional
speakers get X minute warnings near the end. But when you're first starting
out, why not eliminate unnecessary stress, and work on improving the most
important parts of speaking - speak clearly, stay within time, eliminate filler
words, etc. and all of this can be done with a timer shown or more warning
cards.
Of course, speakers who want to compete would want to pass.
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Leslie Alvarado:
Oh
my goodness David Lewtas, I was just so sure you were going to end your comment
with, "AND GET OFF MY LAWN!!!" Richard Garber, I agree this would be very
helpful for us newbies. I just gave my second speech two weeks ago, and it felt
like an eternity to get to the 5 minute mark. I thought the timekeeper had lost
track, which I've seen happen before. It was definitely a distraction.
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GENERAL REPLIES
It is useful to think of the added feedback from these 21st Century Timing Cards in analogy with training wheels on a bicycle. They can be
very helpful for beginners, but not needed by those with more experience.
Cliff Milligan claimed that if you practiced your
speech, then you should know where you are supposed to be when you get to the
warning signals. So did Tim Ramage.
Conversely
if you have not been able to practice your speech, then you should not know
where you are. But I also showed the cards being used for the impromptu Table
Topics and speech Evaluations, both of which are done without practice.
Mike Rafferty and Cliff Milligan had complained that I was
making things complicated. If I had wanted to, then I would have called for
there to always be four progress cards spaced equally before the green card.
Their spacing in minutes just would have been the time for the green card
divided by five. So, for a four-minute speech the spacing would have been 4/5
minute or 48 seconds, and the cards would be shown at 0:48, 1:36, 2:24 and
3:12. For a seven-minute speech the spacing would have been 1.4 minutes, with
cards shown at 1:24, 2:48, 4:12, and 5:56.
The
image of a bicycle with training wheels is from
Wikimedia Commons, and the gears are a colorized version of
an image from
Openclipart.